SPACE Newsletter - April 1993

April 1993

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::te meeting was called to order at 7:30 by Sbm Snckson acting in '.la~aan 's absence. Greg Leitner was introduced as the new club Treasurer, and he gave a short presentation including a rreasurer' s report, ih1ch was necessarily brief as the funds had Just c~angedhands. Greg will establish a :~:ckrng account and have a co1plete report at t~e mt mting. rhere ns no further old business and no new tusiness introduced. The mtrng was adj,)umd at approximately 8:00 P.K. t rt It t Ii t t ttt ti I tt

Treasurer's Report: Submted by ~reg Leitner ttttt 11 t t tt t lttt rttttttll

It's finall P.appened! ! SPACE 0011 bas its ,1110 checkin~ account at m as of March 13, 1993. A transfer che•;k 10 the a1ount of S732 .37 al;og nth the deposit of the March mting intake, and less 1oothly expenses leaves our Club with a healthy balance of $i94 .63. Unfortu03tely, we didn 't have a gJcd oonch for February in that our intake feil Just short of covering the cost of the February Newsletter. rbat ;ieant we llade ijO ~~~JSlt t~ our account for the February Meeting. Let's all 1ake an effort co attend ::ie i.onthly aemngs, buy those disks and keep our mberships up to date. This is the way we 11111 continue to 1ake our Club as s1;,: ;essfui as it has been 10 the past. Copies of current year banking activity w~ll ~e available for all aelbers to see at :h~ April aeeting. IKPORfANf: Those of you who were at the March meeting are aware of the problea we bad in getting 1u, AIMsubscriptions. #e have remved a refund of our fee fro1 AIK and they have :j::icated that they ;nll not be taking any n~w subscriptions in the future. The SPACE ::embers who paid the $6.00 fee for tb~ir AIM st:bsmption will be getting a cash refund at the ~.pnl mting.

If anyone is interested, Atari Classics is still going strong and you can subscribe to this instead. I will have copies of the subscription fora at the April mting.

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Froa so1e of the quP,stions re~eived lately it appears that we could use another dmnstration of the BBS basics. Mike Fitzpatrick has agreed co bring in a systeil to use and after the 1mt1ng we t'ill give a short deao of BBS co11ands for non users, and s01e of us who don't use my of the mmds regularly and have forgotten tbea as well. Adding a MODEK to your system can greatly increase its usefulness and your own ~nJoyaent as well. Even if you don't cwn one yet stop by aad see buw it works. t t t tt t tt tit It tt tt

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SPACE Disk Of The Month NEWS April 1993 by Joe Danko SPACE Disk Librarians: Joe Danko-Glen Kirscbenaann t t t t t tt t t t t tt tt tt ti tt t t t t t tit t t tt It t ti i I It it t tt t t t

April 1993 DOK Side 1: H&ARTS. OBJ, HEARTS. DOC The classic card gm written in assembly language. Requires a joystick. LOADJR. BAS,

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'fURBOBASIC-IL modified to run ,itll SP.\RfADOS 3. 2d. &CHO.COM, EC~O. DOC, ECHO. ASK, BASIC . BAT, PRINT .m SPARTADOS utility to eaulate the MSOOS ECHO COllllaod. FOLDRLBL. BAS ATARI BASIC progm that prints sideways labels for use ,)n the sprnes ·lf 1anilla foldm. Side 2:

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Due to recent events, the nnds have really been taken out of ay sails. This colulD will be ay shortest one, the 1essage is short and sweet. I have been keeping a very close eye on what is going on in the club :ad feel we have reached a crossroads. This has been further complicated by certain other mots invoked by 1mbers. K1ke Schaidt bas stepped down as Editor. IF YOU ARE Nor THERE' IOU WILL KISS THE KOST IMPOkTAliT i!EBTING Oi fH& YilAR, I aa not going to waste any aore paper saying this. If you are serious about your SPACE mbersbip, it is aandatory that you attend the n~It 1eeting. Enough said. If you' re serious about this dub, we WILL see you io April. THIS CLUB mos TO TALK and we are going to do it, April 9th, at the Falcon Heights Couunity Center at 7: 30 P. K.

SPACE CLUB MEETING April 9th - 7 PM

RUBBERBA.COK, cALL.OBJ, BALL.SPL, BALL.ZS, RUBB6RBA. m Tlle gm is called RUBBER BALL. Bounce your ball through the me mh a joysti~k. It' s a lot harder than it looks. Start by m:utiog RUBBKRA.COK. AUfORUN.CfB, T1000.FRK, T1000REA.DME, fURBORUN ,COK. Ani1ation of the Tl000 froa Tminator II written in co1piled Turbobasic. Run it by executing fURBORUN.COK. SPECIAL DISK: Color Graphics Sys.ea by Toa Hunt: CGS is a tmiaal protocol for use with CGS equipped electronic bulletin beard systeas (BBS) such as lARP-10. CGS 1akes use of special fonts and graphics routines to enable the BBS to control the power of Atan graphics via a 1ode1/telepbone link. An 80011 is the 1inimu1 requirmnt along with a KODEM and a copy of BOBTERK which SPACK will 10clude on tbe disk. Read and follow tile instructions carefully.

SPACE 999 MESSAGES '--• 1 Qd-01-?3 - 22:0a:20 '--• 'L?ckea MemYt ~eUUmr Kditor Author: MIK& SCHKIOf To : All Posted: Sun 2I-Mar-93 at 9:09: ~0aa Replies: 0 A few oeople knowtbe reasons I ste~ped down as nmletm editor, now tbe rest will know. I thought tbe job of editor was being in full control of what goes in the newsletter? If that ;.s ~ot the case, tbeo I a1 just tbe publisher. If N1than .ants to screen the content of the articles, then be can put together the ~mletter. The second reason is I'll working full time at Anderson Windows and part ti1e in tbe evenings for a local Engineering fira, doing backgrcund drawings on 1y boae computer. This ~art tae .erk bas taken up 20-30 hours a week( over 7 days) , (2;50+- ) Sf!icers' Bm: Memge: 3 (t4430) Title: fAIG Author: MICHAEL msr re: Michael Fltzcatrick (Recvd) Posted: M on :2-Mar-9~ at 3:S0:00a11 Replies: 0 NATHAN IS RIGHT I mn TH3RB WHEN TAIG m ARJUND, BUT ill!BN I ASKED I/HAT HUPENED TO THE CLUB I ilAS fOLD THE CLUB mo OF FELL ~.PART

BECAUSE OF LACK OF mmsr ro KEEP IT ALI'IE BY A FORMER TAIG MEMBER. WHAT I Al! SAYING IF fHE c~~B QO[SN 'YDO SOME SERIOUS BRAmroRHING IS THE CLUB GOING DOWN THK TUBES. BESIDES WHAT THK CLUB D0ES, 1HAT CAN BK DONE TO PROMOTE SPACK ro BRING ~HE ~mRSHIP m

(3/50+) Officers' Base: Message: 4 (t4432 l Title : Surmal of SPACE Author: Michael Fitzpatrick To: IIE~AKL WEIST (Recvd) Fcsted: Ken 22-Mar-93 at 9:37:00p1 Rep:m: 1 You asked a lot of good questions. There m a :Jt of ans·,1ers but 1t takes co-operation to make :hcse answers work. Last year ile did the Puff event and the club sade 1oney and ttiose who did attend wm happy. rhere have been several s1Jggemons as to what various club proiects c0uld be but as yet no-one seeas interested even in for:ning a steering cmittee to get soae stuff JJiog. Right or wrong the club bas to get ,Jff it's collective duff and do soaetbing or else apathy may just kill it (the Club). One thing for sure either an orgamation grows (not nmssarilly 10 me11.ber nu1bml or it dies fro1 hck of ic~~!"est. Will talk to you m e at t he club ~ming in April. (4, 50+) Officers' Base: ~maae: 5 [t1433) - Reily to t4 r:~le: Survival of SP..CE ;u::nr, MICHAEL msr !o: ~::hael Pit:ntnck 1Recvd) Posted: Tue 23-llar-9~ at 12: 57:00ai ~.eolies: 0 vii! Of THK BEST rHINGS THAT HAS HAmm T0 ME IS JO!NING THE SFACE CLUB. :'HE IIR&TING PARTIES ~?~.C~ BOOTH'SAT THE ELBcrRONIC SiiO~S ARD ALL rH£ mms THAT GO HONG mH THE CLUB. I DON'T -~.Nr i'F..l.f ro ENDI ! HOPE fHAf TURNS ~ROUND SOMEHOW. i~~t. f~E 19g" AT TH~ MK~TING~ I pKE CHATTING ~LH 1~u. JHtRM, MIKK, ,OR, ·,LEN, ~iRRY Ere.

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0 Base: Title : rAiG Author: Nathan Block To: Michael litzpatrick (Recvd) Posted: Tue 23-Mar-93 at I: 19: 00a1 Replies : 5 Eabezzleaent iy *", it \las siaply a 1atter of a group running out of funds. Whoever aade that bizarre joke is wrong 1 I was tllere, rigbt to the end. Natnan Block

(8/50+) Officers' Base: Message: 9 (14444) - Reply to t6 Title: TAlG Author: A11os Jackson To: Nathan Block (Recvd) Posted: Tue 23-Mar-93 at 10:47:00ps Replies : 0 Questions were asked coocering the user group1 so as what I consider an outsider, I will answer rro1 an outsiders point of view, and as so1eone who views SPACE as a club me foi: officers than for 1e1bers. I feel that the primy gold of SPACE is to 1ake 1oney, rather than serve the needs of it' s 1c1bersbip. SPACE c~wes moss to i.e (as to o:hers that I !lave talked to · at mtings--sorry no names) as a club that citers to officers and money, rather than the general Je12bersh:p, ind ~akes many 1n the oe1bership feel that way. There are quite a few itm that I eersonally have discovered on ay own that I have tried to share with SPACE, that the regining mbers of SPACE look upon as trivial because they did not discover them first. ro 11entioo two of the11: 1. Getting free upgrades on BBS software. 2. CGS (Color/Graphics Syste12--which ali.ows ~~ grapb~cs aode to be sent across the 1ode1 using supplied sottware), but because SPACE officers did not discover it first, thm ~as been little to no interest shown 10 it by 5PACK, but all others that have mo it have been vm lilpmsed. (9/50+) Officers ' am: Message: 10 (t4445) - Reply to t6 Title: TAIG ~.uthor: Amos Jackson To: Nathan Block (Recvd) Posted: Tue 23-Kar-93 at 10: 54: 00p1 Replies: I [> i.dited <I This causes 11.e and others that have spoken to me to feel that the ;eneral 1mbersbip 's interests are not being tsken into consideration. Only the interests of the club. But what 1s the c~ub? A few officers that have been elected to positions, or the general mbersbip? How can a club that clai1s that tbey have the interests of the Atari co11unity at band ignore free upgrades to bbs soft.are, or phone software that adds an element of excitement to users bbs calling?? It appears to 1e that the officers of SPACE don't have the interest of the users at heart. SPACE needs to broaden it's borizioos! It ** IS '* the best user group around for the Atari 8-bit 1achines, but needs to realize tbat behind every 8-bit aacbine, there is a PERSON!, looking to broaden bis/her borizions. To 1e, that is what a user group is supposted to be about. To aid the conuoity, and give uabers their m eies worth. The empie I can jive is over at Spectrum Analysis. Sure I charge $25.00 a year, but as all can see, (10i S0+) Officers' Base: Message: 11 (H446) - Reply to t6 Title: TAIG Author: Amos Jackson 7.: ~;ttan s:1:k (2ecvd)

Posted: Tu~ 23d-~ard·93 lat II :01: 00p1 Repaes: ~ 1> K ite < I aa coning up with new and interesting things that will uke 11e2bersh1ps worth ~aying. CGS bas caused aany a me&ber to say, Do you have sm docs that you could send to me that can belp ae learn about this and create 1y own de10s or ga1es?' That is pure interest. Awhile back, aany of the officers asked, 'Why is Amos in the officers base? He is not an officer, and s01etms he 1s bard to deal with.· So what 1akes 1e bard to deal with?? Because I tell it like it is? Because I have the users best interest at heart, and get not upset, but out and out 1ad because ** I II feel that this is not so? SPACE needs eeople like this that will aake the 1eabershiP reel that they are worth 1ore than just $15.0~ a year. Why aa I posting in this base now? Because I was asked for assistance by the SysOp of this bbs, after swearing that I would NEVKR call SPACE again, or be a part of the Atari Couunity because I felt that there were too many that just do not care about "THE USER O !! (11/50+) Officers ' Base: Kessa~e: 12 (1444 7/ - Reply to t6 Tit!e: rAIG Author: Aaos Jackson ro : ~athan Block iRmd) Posted: rue 23-Mar-93 at 11: 10:0lp1 R:plies: 0 [> Edited <] I stilf f:el thlt m. Out of all of the officers of SPACK, bowDany have looked into CGS for t.he Atari, and for those ,ho are aware of it, who bas stated anvtbing to the general membership about it? ·rt· s like if SPACE doesn' t discover it, it is not worth mentioning. SPACE needs ~o really !nake its :ie.~bership feel that what they want or feel or need is worth it to the dub. Personally, I haven't seen that. I personally have m ade me discoverys that me& can use than SPACE bas, and have been shown without a doubt, that because SPACE didn't coae up with it first, it doesn't tatter. I have shared with mcE, and have always been willing to share mh met All I noted fros SPACE was SOie acknowlegmnt that there is s:mne 1n the 1enerai 1e11bersb1p that cared enough about SPACE to share '41 th thea and that maybe others ~ould catell on and do the me. These last few posts were *' EXTREA!ILY " bard for me to post, but I bad to aake a choice within 1yself in letting SPACE keep going the way it was, and knowing that there are aany than cannot accept 1e as a down to earth person who will tell itlike it is, and let that keep 1e fro1 posting what I see, and what I've been toldi or to care enough to say, 'this is what know, and it goes like this.• There is a song with soae lyrics that go like this: Don't ask 1e what I think of you, I 1igbt not give the answer that ou want 1e to.• I fee that SPACE bas the ability to be second to none, but SPACE ,.e,ds to realize the ~~ads •Jf the 9eneral user, and not place a uvllar 11alue oebind it, and also be willing to work with ANYOHK in the Atari comnity that is ,illing to mk nth th~1. As for melf, I have totally left the Atan ,: m un1ty because of the reasons I' 'le stated in tile last few posts. I .:harge tc :et

·;~e:s :n uv sv~te11, but I spend at msr 4 tim js .:ucn as TOrAL meobmh1ps to get the users i:,ms c:m t:iey hmn't seen, like c:;s ;cd ~mblast, •ti~ti is ON& JP TH8 5SST GbMES I' i'E SEgN fer the ~tari 8-bit. i' 11 sto~ here, and bope that pe iple 11111 :c:~ :h: :m 1n 11y t:om,mher than negative attitu:les. i ;m, but will not care !!lore than you do! 1lj, :a+1 Jfficers' Base: Message: 14 (t4451) - Reply to U0 Title: TAIG Author: !lat~an Block T'i: A10s Jackson (Recvd) Posted: ced 2Har-93 at l:27:00at Replies: 2 [> Edited <] !t mas very inappropriate for you to be answer:og that question when you have hardlf 1ade 1t tc a mting· in the last siz Mn tbs! have d~ne mrything I mld to 'broaden' the club' s t:r:m. You are appealing to a very sectioned por:ion of our club that uses their ~.TARI' s for .::~rnog and not aucb else. Your board gives ~~~¥ _ir;e s_,f~_wa;:•. :•e ~ayJ ~~ s~~v;;e _b_~ seuiog .,i{ ~ .o ,1 akc _,n~v. 10 , . ~, -n • ~td .~Ks, :nm ,ill · not BE A CLUB> ~s fo: a ebb that is catering to officers, ~bat is '*BS: u As for a club that is catering t~ cr:flt, th1t 1s "3S!.. ie nm tried ti11e and" tL1e again to do tbio9s that would interest ~~1ple! Tfiat BOB PUFF thing s~ould have been a ilonumtal mting that everybody should have atte:ded icciudiog you. w'ERE il'ERE YOU and all of ttese ·oms' that you are talklag about? I :1dn' t see Joe ,:alier :rn1 iiARP 10 at that ,1eet:ng, I1steac ·;ho I saw ·,m the regulars of tile ,: :1Jb, iany of .!Viii don't use aode11s at all, but ,mpied the front row 1f m:y chm 10 that hail. I e~itted !ly language, but I aa sure you :an fill in ...

break fro1 our routine . I thought perhaps we could Just spend sm aoney1 rent a t,11 out and see a:iovie on the big screen. NuTHING ,: ,ijg 0F IT, n~b-:dy e,en said, 'Gee, let's think on it a ,hile and come back to it.' ~~c~Qtly ,e mmd the Crash Cm in which 7 1m1bers volunteered to liake phone calls and even house ;ails to people in need of ATARI equip1ent. But since you never COIie to the 1eetiogs you wouldn't know this would you. I aa so angry by your post I cannot even begin to express it. I aa sick to DEATHof hearing bow SPACE is out for profit. Io 1y tm as President, I have atte1pted to revive SPACE's bank account and, I'1 sorry, but I did a daao good job. wben I took over, mcg bad a balance of around $200. How we have around $1000 or so. ile were on the mge of going under and I went after getting us a solid" gnundworK that would carry us in case interest dropped off. CONr (16/50+) Officers' Base: Message: 17 (t4454) Title: mcg Author: Nathan Bl1ck . To: ~.120s Jackson (Recvd) Posted: iled 24-Mar-93 at 1:36:20,11 P.eplim ~U&SS ~Ar AMOS, :mREST HAS DROPPED Off! And you are living proof of it. ·i"t: user:! to me to the meetiags and get really involved and make glamorous speeches about your BBS. ~Jw, you so:lehow get into the officer's base and tell us how rotten a Job we are all doing and you don' t even showup to the mtings . Well I a1 sorry, but I think we are do1ng all we can and I think your oost m, well, a lot of r.coseose' ro SVKRYONE READI~G THIS, EVEN THOSE fi!AT SHOULDN'r ! If you feel as AMOS does, '/OU had better speak NOii. I hm had 1t nth these kind of musations ,bout SPACE, /1th , hat 1s ~appeoiog in t:ie ~lub right now, I coo' t need ~his. You are either on the beat or you are off. ~.nd quite frankly, if this kind of attitude is going to prevail, I aa going to get iff the boat and let somne else take th:s if everyone th1nks I aill dmg mb a rott~n j~b.

l14i50+) Officers' Sase: M~ssage: 15 (H452 ) 7i.tie: SPACE (1M0+) Officers' Ease: !uthc r: ~a:han B~ock Messace: 18 (t4456) - Replv to U4 i'it!e : rAIG . T?: Am ·,~ksoo (Rmd) ?osted: Wed :Ha:-93 at :: ;~:00am ~uthor: ~.mos Jackscn i!~plies: 0 fo : Nat~an Block (Recvd) ::iis :k: '.:as done jm mr mrythiog to Posted: ~ed 24-llar-93 at 12:~5:00p1 ':irnden it's ~cm~c.' I t=~~c t. ki~k off an Replies: 0 .m.R: :xpo, b~t it didn't go through, :nstead we I'm not sure if y,;ur liessage continlies, but I· ;n managed to turn :t rnto the Eob Puff visit, which ]?ing •lff of what ,as· stated. You asked where I was. I comder a success for the f~•, people that did I tried for i/EEEKS to get :1 ride, -,od ,,as unable to :o!le. get one . You don't f~el that it is right for ae to :ie have : mm a question tllat I don't recall you asking ANY A ZREE SOFTWARE mm LIBRARY certain pe:son, and yes I a1 still a 11e1ber of SPACE. APP.EE EOOK L:BRARY You asked for an ooinion, I gave one. Did I say that A i'REE BBS mH PUBLIC DOMAIN SOm'ARE AHD the club IS abou·t aonerand IS about catering to :;N~m ~AMES officers? No, I sais it mis, and apparently rou ~:MOS Ol somm AT rHg MEETINGS don't like the fact that tSOl!Et mbers of the c ub :'~.5E ms:mER EVERY M ONTH (and yes, just co1e across to others in this maooar but those are the facts . So in fact, it is NOT "BS 1• that so1e are beca~si,M\~tquit,1 w,e ~!P~fiil. have one) .. _.,L.~n rtt~.R• ..b .LER WHO COKES ro AS 1ade to feel this way. If the anger would not have ~?.N'i '.<EETINGS AS HK CAN WirH NEIi/USED ATARI set in, j'OU would have notice tbat I'1 not sayin9 that 2:?nm ~o SELL the dub runs itself in that aanoar, but that is how le started a prog_mm's SIG, but it fell soae fee l. I still aid the club, and I still care ttlnugh due to lack of interest. about what happens to the dub, so just because I I al not UAR THROUGH m... . mn~t 1ak! it to the. sea.tings. doe& not take it that : ;,coot still have tbe clubs best interest at heart, ('.5 •50-i C:flcers' 3ase: or care. I stated -~at I :h·:~gi:t .as an honest opinion, 3~d not to ·;pset 1~yone. Mmage: 16 (:4453) But s:atiog that I moot answer because I do not Title: SPACE go to :ieetim :s ;ust the types c•f attitudes I '1 At.thor: ~athao Slock T~: .~ii!CS :,~km (P.md) referiog to, · No I uon' t go to :ieetings because of a ?csted: l:d :.;-~u-53 it l:33:~Jam ::::k :f :nnsoortation. doesn': nean that I don't ?.:~::-:s: 0 wact t0 be c:iere, and I st1ll assist chis bbs, and :~sc. r:.:~::lz· : :a.:;;est:d l ::·,~~ ~.1;:l~ :.s : ~h~:ef:r~ :he ::.'Jb : 1 u~s) ?ming out the free

software that the dub ~hooses to use on it's syste1, softnre that does not co1e free to 1e. I understand that the club has to uke 1oney, and that is not the issue that I bought up, I bought up how people feel about the club, or now sone are ude to feel, but of course, your anger set in before you realized that. I will cease now to read your continuations. A!!os Jackson (19/50+) Officers' Base: Message: 20 (t4458) - Reply to m ritle : SPACK Author: Alos Jackson To: Nathan Block (Recvd) Posted: Wed 24-Kar-93 at 12: 18:00p1 Replies: 0 As I stated in 1y previous post, you u AREu overreacting. If you wouldhave read 1y post with an open aind, the SAl!K aiod you used to ask for o~inions, you would have seen things M.or different than you do. I feelthat you tpgRSONALLP are doing a hellof a Job, but b~cause ycur anger flmed up, yoc :ac't see ta1t. :iy ; ;cmn 1s ho, people feel. ~Y couon sense let's ie know that the user group needs ooney to continue its activities. I have no problem with that, and ·ioce ,guot your doing a GREAT JilB. If that kina or recognition froa ae is not good 2nough, sorry 'bout that. As for •~ not atte~ding meetings,! used to cry to get rides to :im:ogs, and have failed more often :han nvt. I don't beg for ,nything froa anyone, and if I aust to be ::m::md a iiember of this dub as stcwn by ·1OUR att1 tude,, then no tbank-you! You asked for an opinion, I stated items about people ' s feellags, •:ou took it as 1 direct attack against SPACK. Well, straight out-- IT'S NOT! I:· s about bow people feel! : am concerned. ~ was told that sm& had aprv~le1. I aill trying tobe~p. not to tear apart. I figu:ed that with the contact that vou and I have had as ~eople, you wculd know be better than that. 0~VIOliSLi' :wt! Thms were the attitudes I was trying to project in 1y posts, t:ut you c!aia m not true. r feel that you '.:ave at::astsho,n 1e that they m. I feel that if SPACE gm UJder, this area 11ould lom s01ething KA,JOR! I ml if " YOU 0 Nathan 1et out of it for a lack of understandia~, the club will loose soilething MAJOR!! Chill out. i'alk to se. Your th~ best!! So is the club!! All I want to do is help 1ake it better but don't attack 11e because of a lack of transportation, for I still sueport in the best 1annar that I can without it! No I '1 not 11ad, I feel there's no need to be, but I will go along with yourpost, i: the rest of you feel as I do, who care as 1uch as I do, .ho nnt :.; see this club 1ove forward, like Nathan stated,LKr HIMKHOV! Ai1os Jackson (2~/50+) Officers' Base: lles~a1e: ~2 (H460) Tlt.e: ~oN& AGAIN Author: Alos Jackson ~o: All Post:d: wed 24-llar-93 at 6: 12: 0001 ~:plies: 2 · Well, w:th the atti~·"des that trn bm expressed Wi:rds 11e, I ~.ave ~:: i:ed ,;nee

nut ':Jo ~iitittni~s~ithb~Bal ft 1ri~tid 88tt :h:r.g :or ae not to return. I hm tried ay 6est 0

:o nei~ or~t SPACE in the b:st W31 that I know how ::·,rn though I ca:in0t 2lnys ..::e:id ceet:ags. In I• t{ " OQinion, if I c~oose :o sp~nd up to $P0.00 c:i l id ~alls to get , hat I consider the :iest s;ftware, then share all that me& feels :hat :t needs with t:ien, then :, be told that that :mos nothing because I don't attend 11.eetin9s, then I say fice. No 1iip:eciation, no assistance. Fair is fair, and tn3t's hc,wit stands. But for tbe rest, you'll be iimd, but it's just not worth it anymore. 110s Jackson (22.'50+) Officers' Base: '.!mage: 23 (#HG:) - Reply to m Ti~le: GONE AGAIN Mhcr: N3tban Block Tc: A120s Jackson (Recvd) ?osted: wed ~4-Kar-93 at ll:39:00pa Replies: ~ A~d se:? This is exactly the kind of thing ttat puzz:es ae, So1ebov we are the best1 I a1 t:.: ~::st :1t t~~n ycu disappear, Ana then r-:;?~m. You keep on dmg th1s ki:ic! d :h:og, ·1:·i .: be back, at i~ast one 11ore tm to md this cmage. And then who bws? : ,i be r.onest, I d,n't know .hetner you hm faith it ae or not. You say you do, but :hen mo:how ~he club is h:adrng in the wrong d:r'!cti-:n. I don't know what to think. I don't know WH0 ~s on ny side and ,ho isn't. All I can gauge this on is ~O SHOWS UP AT fHE MEETINGS, t~~a~se, as ·1ou ~ave m3c!e note of, act all of th: ~e0~l-: ,ho ~all the ass 11ake the i:ieet1cgs. ,\l!OS, Ai lB I s~pposed to ~ons1der when I run this :!ub, the 885 ?:Jole or the people ,ho attd :be 1::t1n1s? r~at 1s a tou;b :J~ to m,er acd I a1 sm ::iat you ,ill agree. Both are using an :!Pens1re sernce of th! club. The ~e~t~ng ball and the ~5S :::tr ,:e :~r ;mtest ~xpmes. All I can do is c: "h3t I have beec doing for :;uite soeeti1e and that lS ASK ASK m ASK ASK. Y:u m a oellber of tbis club, so doubtlessly j":u ;et the ncwsl~tter. Y)u ha;·e m.G 11 :~;mous pleads aJd iceas. ~lOi'HING mr s~ens to cm to t~e:1. s~: WHAT AK I SUPPCSED TO DO? w::at i: mli.y need is fresh ;:eas. if you feel we a~ed to expand Jur homons, 11~ ~eed to get that d0iln in ~, re f:llck ,nd white tms, Sme tte Art.RI M"i'.. 'l' "7 ~(u 'J? ,.•; J••tt, ,..: ,.• I" .O 10 ...., ,;,t "'re than •up· COU.13 ... m..i are alreaay d,;ini it? I ,;annot personally THINK :f a~y other ,ay. A.~D I H.UE ASKSD AND !SKKD at ~m-- :ther 1mt1ng. it is this frustration co12bined with ~{:~~•$ quittina coabined with 3our p)st that :aused ~y anger to flare up I aad for that I do ;;ish to apologize, but I hope at least you can ;-.e 1,here I ai :J11ing fro1. AND ONE KORE THINGI here once again we are deal:na with the salle bs that has ripped this :l~b :~ shreds numous tms. G-:JSSIP. Third ~mon talk! A1os, you tell these ~eople, -~ierer pur •na;aes' are, to call ae u~ permally and we will :iscuss this 'amy :n:cg, ! a12 pemoally 'IERY VERY uniapressed :.t"c ,crbody calls and t:lls 1le, 'kl so and si doesn't like ·.hat p u .m :!~:ng ,:t2 :~e :lub!' : is:en A11os, :cybody can :t., so:ie~ae :lse Mi~d their ba,:k. It :;;:~s guts to cm and fm i. ~men and tell ~:• what you c!oo't !.1ke. for t.at I g1·;e ;-r.u !ots of :::'lit, bn:~s~ ::.ght ;r «mg rou spHk 1ut. ~at ,hen you sa··, ·w~:1, ;orrr : i ~,.~~:, :ilt :···d .:.:i 1 t..•~' s ••,ay, I ,av HAH, 81G . t~e.,. ..~--r-~ L. JEAL. ~hm m ~b~y, ;;hy h,v~n't :~~y talki:c tl J

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!~out \rii1i?tsJ!bdcaot .ft\1i°gfrt13'We be talking to ae club out to dry on another B!s, That has been a ?rcblem for thm years or so 0011 a~i despite my aany efforts to get it to stop, it still exists. ! n 1m tmd. I tim to be up 3t SAK to go to 11ork, but I couldn't sleep thinking -:biut this clubi so I called the board. I don't know what to think, get into very bad emotional states when I think smthing is going wrong with this club. '{cu say you are :ming .. . FINE. Do ,hat f OU want to do. As I told Mike in mil, I a1 not going to force or beg anybody to stay, if you wanna go, go. Personally, you keep reappearing, so I aa sure that we will see you around, you Just don't go avay quite this easily. But whatever, I cannot take ,i n everyone. It seeas like crossed swords between us don't ever seea to let up . I do appreciate ,hat you said about ae in the post, I realiy hope and pray that you do feel I a1 doing a good Job, 1 bope that others feel the sm way as well. But it is days and weeks like this when I sai something, try to get this club back on track and ,RCPLK QUIT and PEOPLE POST THINGS LIKR THIS that really take the wind out of ay sails really really quick. · ,;nd to reiterate your mellent closbg words, LEr ~.& Y.NOi! ! !! NOV! (26/ 50~) Officers' Base: Hmage: F t44 75) - Reply to t~l Title: ~PA,E Author: m~m msr To: A11os Jackson {Recvd) Posted: Thu 25-Kar-93 at 3: 11: JOari Rep~i~s : 0 [> Edited <]

I rHOUGHf I l OUL:J WAI! rm ?OU GOT :rn mH 'iOUR MESAGR3. I HAVS SOME?SING 3AY ....... '{CU FULL OF BULL""·. I HAVE ~m IT CLEAR ro YOU ANYTIME '{OU mo ,\ R:DE ro A m~s ~mI!iG : i4~ULD 3g ~ORE TP.Ai~

GL~.D TO PICK YOU UP ~ITH YOUR mE AND ms' NO PROBLEM FOR ME. '{OU HAVE MY PH0NE NO AND m TIME I C~.KE OVKR TO PICK YOU UP ~.ND YOU DECIDEil FOR R~ASONS '{OU DION 'T ~~.n TO GO' ALSO SArfiAi~ ISN'T r~g GREAT. ALOTSOF THE THINGS ACCOMPLISHED AT THE SPACE CLUBARE aKCAUSE O! OFFICERS OTHER THAN NmAN THAT ?Ur IN A'.JT£ CF rm ?0 ~e THIS A GOOD CLUB. SOT ?OR THE ~om rtS YOU SAID ?ROMr~K '£CU HEARD YROK OTHER 2EOPLE BUT BK:AUSE THSY ~m A ilE~mTICN l'O KEEPING SPm GOING WE ~OSf ONR mm~ED ?ERSON :usr RECENTLY, BE~AUSE ,\ M:STAKR :N CGKIIUCATIONS . ~ATHAN IS A GCv9 Fr,SS!DENT OF THE CLJB, BUT NOT GREAT. HE mm ~~ARN JROMHIS MISTAKES IP HE IS HOFING 'fHIS CLUB IS ro 3URVm. !mEAD 0P ms ~U~LtUt CONVERmm ~ET'S POCUS ON SAVING THE CLUB. IF YOU DON'T AND NA'fHAN DON'r rn!T TO DO THIS , 'fHEN BOi'H Of YCU JUMP SHIP! UNDERm.ND. HERE IS MY S,02 WORTH!

(27/50+) Officers' Base: Message: 28 (t4504) ritle: I1proments/Dissention Author: Michael Fitqatrick To: All Posted: Sun 28-Har-93 at 8: 21 :00a1 ilcplies: 3 Well the aonth of Karch lived up to it's legend as far 113 ~he c!ub is ccncerned, ll'e lost Kike Sch1idt as Newsletter Editor; I lost SOie great technical support for the BBS; Nathan bas been mbally beat up. I feel as 1f we m in :he e{e of a . ·;ph,)on, the dead :;lm; just ~efm all bel J:eaks l oose when :be ,iods uuleash t~m fm. The ,iiids 1n this case 3:e the general ceabers and us . Do these of ·:iu ;;:o rt~~:arly pest wish to ~ave a special aeeting to help resolve 1ur collect:ve p:ob:m? lny ~:i!.t:~n:s I 'm sure, i:i~<!e :n ;, ?OSitm and :onstructi·te ~anner, ,,:ud b~ greatly ,pprechted.

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flt1e: Improvmnts/Dimntivn Author: Nathan Block To: Michael Fitzpatrick IRecvd) Posted: Sun 28-Kar-93 at 4d9:00p1 Replies: 0 I aa me than willing to aeet to try and resolve whatever tears have been tade in the fabric of the club. Dmnding on what everyone else thinks, I wi!l go with their decision, Message: 32 (14536) Ti t!e: N&lf KDIT08 Author: Larry Serflaten To: Km SCHK!Df Fosted: Tu: 30-Mar-93 at 2:45:00a1 Replies: 0 Thanks for notification. I didnt m anything about resign:ng :tcmbmbip, so I 'll sc~ose we' 11 still see you at the popular bang-outs for the radio crowd?

!!mm: 35 (t4539) - Reply to m Title: SPACE !luthc r: ~arry Serflaten ro: Nathan Blvck (Recvd) Posted: rue 30-~ar-93 at 3: 17: 00a1 7.cplits: 0 ·1,,u ;1ght want to clleck \ii!ICH msage I!l repl7in9 t•J.. . You said speak Now, so I wL:: I :cr:a:nly tm f2eliags, as doeS Af!OS. if AMOS was a bit harsn, THIS cmage :.as il.B?P.ASIVK, even h~uliat:ing! !! :t •1cur over yo~r snit, ,hy dJnt you msg mm1?? Any Vetnn BBS' er shvuld KNOW,:Jugh cl call ilere tc s~.are the good taes and :all in ~erson to smooth over the bad. 23d :anguage .estru 1s any ?:si~i·;e !iage ii: are trj'iog to ,clneve. G-0t it? jont u;~e !

(35/50+ l Off:~e:s' Base: Xes~,~e: ~~ IH540) - Reply to m Tlt1e: 5.ACE A1Jtbor: Lar:1 .:erflaten To: Am Jackson (Recvd) P,Jsted: Tue 30-Mar-93 at 3::::J~a11 Re?lies: 1 Nathan is correct in <ointing out t~lt m~ ornle .bo do ,t"ena, doot hm nodm . h:a~ntly, these ?eople arent so me of ~bat ~hey m ex~ect Lrom the ON L:llE :munity, Really, whm is the future for ATARI BBS' s? What service .:an a BBS prmde that would entice even our own discriilinating ll.e11bers? This !lessage brought to you courtesy of RICH MIER, whose INDUS GT is on loan wtiile mine •goes under the .. . ... GUN'! Message: 39 (14563) Title: Outsider? Author: Joe Danko To: A11os Jackson Posted: ll'ed 31-Kar-93 at 12:36:00aa Replies: 0 Outside of what? You will notice I chan~ed the t~p1c as. w~ are ~ot discissing fAIG. The BBS SYSOP ot J?!\C& 1s pretty mh free to do .!1atmr be 'iaots a~: I :!Jn't belim : be SYSOP has ever been refused funds for mTHING. To B V ~~at 2rA(E .s run for tbe benefit of its J°f:ims is ludicrous as ~here hm been only : ir 3 at a ciae. Any ne11.ber can me f:r ~:tion at a S?A~S ::~:ing and s1ch 1)tions "~E be ntd ~? :: ::r,:n by cbe :r.:!.t•:rs. Ir i·:u :me a prjb.:m ,!th :~~ way

tt~ ~bo 1s rue :et's hear n ·at a mtiog 1r :,ke ? staW1eot here anc one of us 11111 bmg 1t up En ·,ou if y•:u can't i!iake 1t. Tbm is ao r-;,,;o t~ ::ake s:iots at :ur officers due to aakoowa s~:.~:nents aade by uo~oo1m people.

mues ml or mgined; then get going on doing s·mtbing positive to get things rolling! Last tile I c~ecked, the old adage about growing or dying still bolds me. (46/50~) Officers' Base: ~mage: 47 (t4616) - Replj' to t41 ?itle: AIOS Author: Nathan Block Yo: Joe Danko (Recvd) Posted: Thu l-Apr-93 at 6: 39:00p1 Replies: 0 I have extre11ely strong feelings about this whole situation, but refuse to bring tbe1 here on the board due to recent developaents and cmm PEOPLE who shall rmin naaeless. I do NOT want you to forget that post of rours. We will bring this met subject up at the mt1ng, I wish you to llring it up since it was your idea. We will discuss it and put it to a foml vote. I feel the tine has coae for this. If necessary, this entire msage base will be copied and printed as evidence.

(41: SJ~) Cfflms ' Base: ~es sage: 42 i #-!566) - Reply to #28 Tit::: ~oprcvmnts/D1ssentioo Author: JJe Danko To: Michael Fitzpatrick {Recvd) Pmed: Wed 31-Kar-93 at l:00:00a1 ~tO!lES: 3 ~~ · n~:d no special mtings to patch things up mh anybody. Life goes on. W'e will have a ;;-,,.slette:. file BBS Wlll continue to run and we w1il :mo hoi; to make it work without Amos. If '•~ can't ilake things work as they are then it just ;.rasn't mnt to be. Let's get busy and get 1t dJae. we will never have as fancy a BBS as a guy wcm BBS 1s his whole ego 6ut we 11111 mtinue to have the most STA.BL& BBS in town bemse we don't screw with it all the time. ' 47/50+) Officers' Base: . ~essave: 48 (1461 7) - Reply to t45 (42.'50t) ~::km' 3ise: L~sE: AiiCS Mmage: ~3 (~4572) - ~~ply t~ m Author: S,than Block flt.~: !ap,,:v-:.aents/D1mnt1rn ?o: Ki~hael Fm~atnck Author: ~ICHAEL msT Pcsted: Thu 1-Apr-93 at 6:42:C0p1 re: Jee Danko (Recvd) Replies: 0 Posted: R'ed 3: -Mar-93 at 1: 56: 00,il I hm 5oaething to reply ~o your ;essage, but Replies: 0 risk posting it because so11e eyes will see 1t that :~& SAD rmG ABOUT AMOS rs HE rs A GIFTED ?BRSOR don't need to . But I don't think there is a question AND HE HA3 SO MUCH TO Jf ·~HO'S N&XT' bmuse that quest1,in 1s irrelevant. vmR ~0 :'HE mRI COMMUNITY, ~UT Think of every club pr~ble1 ve have &VKR had and th10k ab,ut tb.e mses .;nd tb.e sources. If vou think about 1t, go ba~k ti Joe's post, and maybe a ·tonal me ind discussion 1s just what we aeed to get ~his thing resolved ... ONn AND F OR ALL !!!

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tha~. a~e 0011 kn~w to by th~ ~ysOp and .:-.:;,sOp, ~e aoes cne11 :reely and l reel that h:s ;r,ly r~qucst is that he be properl.Y thanked ,nd a~preciated for his efforts. rbat isn't 1ucb J:::cr:nt than anir,ae else. As far as resentient Nes I too recognize that there are those in the :l•Jb ,ho resent hi1. :4ily? I don't know but I t:unk the r-oot cause g1es back 1-,og before I arr.:. 'fed on the scene. We need all the AIOS 's and ll:than ·s and Joe· s and et al to aake the club 1mk. The 1d~a of isolating one over another scares :e as tb.en after Aaos, who is next? '45:SJ+) Officers· Base: ~ma~e : 46 (}4602) - Reply to t42 ~:u, ::~r:'.'-:l!!en~s/0:ssention ~ut~•, r: Michael Fitzpmick r,: J~e Danko ,P.md) Fm:c!: iled :1-Kar-93 it :3:J::JJp; Replies: 1 The i~':eJ: th~ s2mal mti~g is to get the -~~s~c1:s1t:: re ~p:e 1 /; ' ,:f o: thm ~cad ~att :mels ar.c qet a pr:gm for the dub started. ~~: ::rst : ~~m ~a ;,~.y ~;e:.da :s ~o a,:nd 1ny

(48i 50+) vfficers ' Base: Message: 49 (#4635 ) fitle: A1:1os Authm J~e D:Jko To : Michael Fitz?atr:ck ?osted: r~u 1-Apr-93 at 9: 51: ~~P• Replies: 0 ! have no m to Jrind wit~ A110s about :oytbin~. If be believes that ~PACS is abhorrant to tte Ami :~;iluoity and mts ootn1ng to do nth us, then why should we mist hila in his efforts to destroy SBCE as a gc:ng c,ncern? ie have and have had •Jffl:ers who ude oistakes and .ere not always well _iked by everyone all the tm, thdt goes with the territory of leadership, but ,e have stayed together by ming past the problea and leaving the past in the past. I don't think AIOS has any business using his position to trash our organization and off!cers with one baod while helping our BBS with the other. That kind of help we can ao without. If we have a proble1 we can work it out as a club 10 the open. If Aaos wants to go, lat hi1 go, if be mts to stay but if he is going to demand smthing that the rest of the mbers don't want he can 9e t on with his life and do as he likes without criticising the character of SPAC&. We don't tell !lim hov to run Varp-10.

149/50+) Officers' Base: Res~age: 50 (t4636) - R~ply to t46 r:tle: r..or:, m nts/D1ssent1on }.~thor: joe Danko ~c: ~-chael mi~mick r•ist:d: '.'bu t-Apr-9J at 3:58:00p1 Replies: 0 Y:1 are correct i~ y,:i: : ;;a!s. ~p~_cg l:as been dyicg and qr?v:~i for the m .;nd a haif years I hm been :nr1olved 111:h it. The very fmt anni·:e:scry we ~a!led

off the mtiaq because less thao 10 oeople showed up . 11983) The aost important lesson we have lmned is to have fun and don' t abuse each other ao aatter how bad thin9s becoae. If it's going to die, let it go happily. Don't be afraia to cry soaething new and don' t be afraid of aak1ng 1istakes.

EDITORIAL What is going on within and around SPACE to cause such a "controversy"? Are SPACE officers unresponsive and selfisfi? Are thev in it "for the money"-"? Will SPACE go the way of TAIG because one person sa i d they wrong thing? The only people who can save or kill SPACE are its members. A club is only the sumt o t a 1 o f i t s membership. TAIG died because most of the members didn't care anymore. What do you want the club to be? Only YOU can make it happen in SPACE as in a I l d e mo c r a t i c organizations. If you don't 1 ike the way things are then institute some change . Nobody will stop you. Then you will find out that change and working for the benefit of others isn't always a popularity contest but is often lonely and risky to one's ego . The worst thing we nave to fear is fear of change. If you think SPACE needs something, speak UQ but don't expect the officers and o thers to do all the work.

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