November 1991
SPACE NEWSLE I I ER NOVEMBER 1991
NEXT MEETING NOVEMBER 8th, 1991 Newz from the Prez: November of 1 991 Greetings everyone! Hopefully everyone had a happy Halloween, it always proves to be an interesting day for the neighborhood in my area Sure, the weather has been rather cold lately, but then again, the computers will run better in the cold air anyway. (Ask Richard Meir at the next meeting to explain whyl Sorry Rich, I couldn't resist it) Comming events: ELECTIONS, THIS MONTH! Please be there. This Is a very important club meeting and I would like to see everyone show up to give their input This is the meeting that will decide where the Club goes for another year. There are changes on the by-laws that need to be discussed and voted on as well as the new officer's board formally voted in. If you missed the last meeting, Sherm Erickson was recuited, er ... volunteered for the position of Vice President Ken Modeen has stepped down in search of other pursuits. I would like to again, thank Ken for a job well done. Ken has always given intelligent and helpful input to the Club. He has been a helpful Vice President and I think he did a great service to the Club by filling this position. Thank You very much Ken and best wishes in your endeavors! I also want to say that I am very glad Mr. Sherm Erickson accepted my nomination for Vice President If you don't know Sherm Erickson, you should make it a point to meet him. He is very knowledgeable about the workings of the ATARI, enthusiastic about the Club, and just a great person to know! Sherm is in the SPT (SPACE PROGRAMMING TEAM) and t ook the time to teach me some things I didn't know about BASIC programming. He explained it well and when he was done, I really felt that I had learned something new. With this information I was able to solve a programming challenge given to me by Mr. Larry Serllatten. Sherm's a great guy and I am really looking forward to having him work with me on the officer's board. If you were at the last meeting, you will remember the talk we had about SPACE buying and reselling software. There has been progress made, but at the time of this writing, the outcome is uncertain because of the time involved. Several things went right and several things went wrong. If you want the follow-up on our discussion, COME TO THE MEETING. Also at the next meeting, we will be planning the christmas bash and that is a bash with a capital "B". Get involved and help us out That's about it for now, see you at the next meeting! Nathan Block
S.P.AC.E Minutes Friday Oct 11, 1991 The meeting was called to order by president Nathan Block at 7:40 pm. A good many members were in attendance. The first order of business discussed concerned the elections which will be held during the november meeting as usual. The membership in attendance was called upon for volunteers or to give nominations for the new slate of officers. Ken Modeen stated that he would not be running for the vice-presidency this time. At this point, Sherm Erickson was nominated for the vice-presidency. After the nomination, Sherm Erickson volunteered to run for vicepresident It appears all officers will be running unopposed, as usual. A change in the bylaws will also be voted on during the november meeting. The proposed change will be to change existing bylaws to include all the immediate family members living in one household to be included in the one $1 5 membership fee. The voting rights and special purchase (such as the monitor purchases by members) rights will however, be 1 vote or 1 special purchase per $15 membership fee. The specific wording of the amendment will be read at the meeting before being voted upon. All the BBS software is here that the membership agreed to purchase during the september meeting. Larry Serflaten will be installing the new software as soon as he feels comfortable with their operation manuals. Nathan Block brought up a deal that was offered to the club by a local software distributor. The distributor apparently has approximately 1,500 pieces of atari software. The software distributor would like to sell all 1,500 pieces to the group for $1 a disk otherwise he will just blank it all out and use it for new software (non-atan). The membership in attendance directed Nathan to beg, borrow or buy some samples of each of the labels for sale so we can better access the demand for the software before committing to such a purchase. Updates from Nathan should be given at the November meeting. The general consensus at the meeting was that the software was o ld label and budget label type software, therefore, the club could afford to move slowly and cautiously in regard to this matter. The Club was offered a complete package of the Dorsett Educational .Software. The membership in attendance was very positive about the real value of this software to the membership. It was suggested that the Club offer the owner $200.00 for the package. The vote to precede with the purchase was nearly unanimous. The meeting waa closed by Nathan Block at 8:45
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SPACE BBS CORNER: *Locked* Message: 98 Trtle: Atari News!
Author: Amos Jackson To: All Posted: Wed 30-Oct-91 at 8:46:0Clprn Today (10-30-91) I got a call from Bob Klass, one of the guys from K Products. He informed me of :,ome INTERESTING things that I want to share with the Atari communlty in this area. so without further delay, I will get into these: Anyone remember that 'ol Supra Hard Drive Interface? K Products bought the rights to that and they ARE doing work on it so it can be a much more flexable unit! They now call it KPI (for K Products Interface). It is an easy modification and makes it a very nice unit. No doc3 available at this time. for it's still in the testing stage. There IS an upgraded and modified RD.COM file for 1 meg upgrades running under SpartaDOS 3.2d. I was informed that this file itl atl reliable as the tltandard RD.COM file or the RAMDISK.COM file found in SpartaDOS X. Bob Klass works for Northwetlt Airlines, and does get up in the area from time to time from anywhere from a day to a few weeks. I informed him of the SPACE usergroup and that I would be interested in having him aG a speaker at the group. I informed him that I could NOT allociate user group funds to have him speak, but if I had to. I would take the money out of my own pocket! He stated that a :ipeal<er fee would NOT be necessary, and that he would love to attend one of the meetingsII I informed him that the meetings are the second Friday of the month. and he stated that he would contact me the next time he is in the area. The laot thing is that he is going to send me some utilities on disk through the mail. I am :lending him a m/o for $50.00 for his time. He stated that all but one of these files is P.O. The one that isn't is a file for the MIO that "blows" the 129 meg limit off of the MIOI This files(s) either allow the addition ot more drives, or allows bigger partitioning of hard drives. I'm not sure which, but when the docs come. I will inform all of what they state. This close:i my leter for now, but all interested parties can see that there is some exciting news in this letter, and that K Products cares. *Locked* Me:i:iage: 99 Title: Atari Newsl Author: Amos Jack::ion To: Amos Jackson (Recvd) Posted: Wed 30-Oct-91 at 8:53:00pm { CONTINUED ] He didn't call collect, he just called, and we had a BLAST on the phonell He and hie company really care about us. so all of you who have been wondering if anyone :,till does, they do! I'm still expectine docs and other information through the mall from him, ans as aeon as they come, I'll let all intereoted parties know (which is all of you) I Amos Jackson
Message : 100 Title: Atari Newel Author: Nathan Block To: Amoa Jack:ion (Recvd) Posted: Fri 1 -Nov-91 at 1 :06:00am Amos, thank::. lood:i for that ver1 ancouraging newslll I also want to thank you publicly for your PR work for the club. I would appreciate this gentleman's addreos, so I could express my sentiments to him and also welcome him to our uJer group ANYTIME he want:; to come. It would be great rf he could io1n us for our Chnstmas blast huh'???l!t Thank you very much AMOS JACKSON!
General :op1cs : Message: 42 Trt1e: ATTENTlON EVERYONE! Author: Amos Jack.son To : Nat"'an Block (Reeve) Posteo Thu ..31-0ct-91 at 8:12:00am But when rt comes to software, you run table(s) at the meetings, enc nave some sort of idea as to what most are looking for. I reel the tip off is that yotJ feel there are only a FEW programs worth getting. We follow that lead, for you were elected prez. There at least should be a feeling of qurte a few software tif:1113s that makes the purchase worth getting. That opinion was made off of your quote, "There's a FEW trtles worth getting". Couldn't we just get those !i'tles" Amos Jackson Message: 44 Title: See Before Purchase
Author· Nathan Block To : MICHAEL FITZPATRICK (Recvd) Posted: Fri 1 -Nov-91 at 12:53:00am ThanKs, you're going to iove my next message! Message : 45 Title: ATTENTION EVERYONE! Author: Nathan Block To: Amos Jackson (Recvd) Posted: Fn 1-Nov-91 at 12:56:ooam tt is possib le, but I don't know if we will get the great price of .80 cents a piece of we get a FEW titles. It purchased at .80 a piece, we on~/ have to sell 1/3 (409) to break even. If one person oought 3 of the 6 titles at $3, we have 70 members, that would be $630, which would be 1/2 of our investment. But if everyone saw all the titles, perhaps, they would want to buy them all. Even If I didn't think they are that great perhaps some one else would. But before you reply, you will want to see my next message I Thanks for your comments on the subjectI I
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Meeeageii - Atllri ebrt - UseNet Conf . Atari 8bit - Ueet-Jet Msg# : 1 1 2 Sent : Oct 27, 1991 at 3:13:00 To : All From : Ray Wilmott at Node 30803/1 Subj : 8-bit magazine From. wilrnott@remus. rutgers.edu (Ray Wilmott) Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J . Jurit thought that with the lack of 8-bit magazine coverage thf!se days, some of you out there might appreciate me passing along this info. I just recently stumbled across a nicely done, slick British mag covering the 8-bit Ataris. lt'a called New Atari User by Page 6 Publishing. Their address is : Page 6 PO Box 54 Stafford, ST1 6 1DR, England Subscriptions to the US are 21 pounds per year. If you wnte to them, they'll send you a free sample copy .definitely worth itl -Ray M&g# . 175 Sflnt · Nov 1, 199'1 at 3:06:00 To All From : C.L Freemesser at Node 30803/1 Subj · CSS at the Chicago Atari Show From. clr3678@ul'lb.ritedu (C.L Freames$er) I= or all of you 8-bitters who plan on attending the Chicago Atari Show (or who are thinking about it), Computer Software Services will be attending, with quite a h1w &how specials on various products. A little bird told me that CSS will "'HOPEFULLY* have a major product announcement/release at the show. All I'll say is, it's a long 11wrted product that everybody keeps asking for. And yes, rl you a&k, I do work for CSS. : " ) Chris F'rE!'emesser, RIT Comp.Eng.Tech.
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Subj. Re: a VENDOR/DEVELOPER LIST F'rom· Benjamin L Poehland August 1991 NOTE. Tht:1 following list was compiled frorn information furnished by various publications, vendors, and the 8-bit archives of Current Notes. No representation is made as to the validity, completeness or accuracy of this list Entries are in random order.
HI-Teoh Creations, lno. (developer) Jones 584 Broadway New York, NY 10012
Sean Puokett/Jeff
DataQue Software (developer) Chuok Steinman P.O. Box 134 Ontario, OH 44862 GEnie: DATAQUE.1 419-529-2478 Tom Harker
!CD, Inc. (developer) 12:20 Rock St Rockford, IL 611 01 -1 437
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Orion Micro Systems (developer) 2211 Planters Row Drive Midlottiian, VA 23113
Keith Ledbetter
Alpha Systems (developer/vendor) George Morrison , 01 2 Skyland Drive 216-467-5665 Macedonia. OH 44056 Y.Lent Software (developer) P.O. Box 5228 Springfield VA 22150
Dennis Young/Len Dorfman 703-644-8881
Computer Software Services (developer/vendor) Bob Puff P.O. Box 1766/J 71 6-429-5639 Rochester, NY 1461 7 MicroMiser Software (developer) 31413 Westward Ho Sorrento, FL '32776
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WK Enterprises, lno. (developer) Leo Leonhardi 1351 Yves Drive 314-527-6909 Manchester, MO 6-~ 1 -3659 Supra Corporation (developer) 11 33 Commercial Way Albany OR 97321 Digital Vision, Inc. (developer) 66 Eastem Ave. Dedham, MA 02026
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617-329-5400
Black Moon Systems (vendor/developer) Ben Martnick P.O. Box 162 Wind Gap, PA 18091
Innovative Concepts (developer/vendor) Mark Elliott/Aon Florka 311 72 Shawn Drive 31 3-293-0730 Warren, Ml 48093
Elfin Magic Software (developer) 23 Brook Piao• E. Islip, NY 11730
Palette Imaging, Inc. (developer) Marv Seaman 4 7 South Street 20'1-767-3913 201-767-1491 Norwood NJ 07648
Springboard Software, Inc. (developer) 7808 Creekridge Circle 612-944-3912 Minneapolis, MN 55435
Electronical Software (developer) P.O. Box 1106 Taylor Ml 481 80
Home Computer (vendor) 1 2008 Bustteton Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19116
No Frills Software (developer) BOO East 23rd St l(earney, NE 68847
Mike Clayton
Ed Kielbazinski
Randy Constan
215-934-6999
BaPAUG Publishing (publisher) Colin Hunt 248 Wimbome Road Oakdale, Poole Dor&et BH1 5 3EF England
Current Notes, Inc. (publisher) Joe Waters 1 22 N. Johnson Rd. 703-450-4761 Sterling, VA 22170
KaKe Software (vendor) 9Smith Ct Vincentown NJ 08088
Kevin Laufer
Best Electronics (vendor/developer) Brad Koda 202'1 The Alameda Suite 290 San Jose CA 951 26 408-243-6950
MWPD Software (vendor) 890 N. Huntington St Medina OH 44256
M. Wallace
The Software Toolworks (developer) One Toolworks Plaza 1 3557 Ventura Blvd. Sherman Oaks, CA 91 423 81 8-907-6789
Phantom's Atari 8-Bit PDS (vendor) Box 331 Levisa Rd. Mouthcard KY 41548
Unicorn Publications (publisher) Bill Rayl 3487 Breabum Circle Ann Arbor Ml 481 08 31 3-973-8825 Software Infinity (vendor) Greg Brown 642 East Waring Ave. State College, PA 16801 Toad Computers (vendor) Dave Troy 556 Baltimore Annapolis Blvd. Severna Park MD 21146-381 8 301-544-6943 Twenty-Fifth Century Software (developer) P.O. Box 8042 Long Island NY 1 1 802 Happy Computers, Inc. (developer) 1 2001 Mathis Way Grass Valley, CA 95949 91 6-268-3595 B&C ComputerVisions (vendor) 3257 Kifer Road Santa Clara CA 95051 408-749-1003
Vulcan Software (vendor) Paul Todd P.O. Box 692 Manassas VA 22111 -0692 BellCom (vendor) P.O. Box 1043 Peterborough, Ontario Canada K9J 7A5 CompSult (vendor) Brent Dill P.O. Box 5160 San Luis Obispo Ca 93403-51 60 805-544-661 6 Bresnik Software (developer/vendor) Bart Bresnik 555Ware St Mansfield MA 02048 Edwards Software (vendor) 1 38 South Main St Travelers Rest, SC 29690 Sabo Software (developer/vendor) Ed Sabo 1 0 East 1 oth St Bloomsburg PA 1781 5 717-784-4545 NERDS Software (vendor) Don Loeffler
American TechnaVision (vendor) 2098 Pike Ave. San Leandro CA 945n 414-352-3787 San Jose Computer (vendor) 640 Blossom Hill Road San Jose CA 951 23 408-224-8575 The Electronic Clinic (vendo r) 491 6 Del-Ray Ave. Bethesda, MD 20814 301-656-7983 Bacmun Software (vendor) 1 671 E. Sixteenth St. Suite 607 Brooklyn NY 1 1 229 BAE Software (vendor) 352 W. Bedford Suite 1 04 Fresno CA 93711 800-347-6760 C&T ComputerActive (vendor) Rusty Cryer
P.O. Box eg3 Clinton OK 73601
1 8 Wendy Drive
F armingville NY 11 738 DynaComp, Inc. (vendor) 1 78 Phillips Road Webster Ny 1 4580 71 6-265-4040 Glenn Software (vendor) James Glenn 8252 The Midway Annandale Va 22003 Sagamore Software (vendor) Roger McClannen 2104 Arapahoe Drive Layfayette, IN 47905 MAPDA-USA Branch (vendor) Steve Hoffee 333 Peninsula Drive Lake Aimanor Ca 961 37 COY Consulting (developer) David Young 421 Hanbee Richardso n TX 76080 :214-2'35-:2146
405-323-5890
Chameleon Software (vendor) Scott Liddick 1 013 Marvern Drive East Cl-,Qmborobur-9 PA 17Q01
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Newell industries (developer) Wes Newell P.O. Box 253 Wylie TX 75098 21 4-442-661 2
Chang• In Heat (developer) 12 Bella Vista Place Iowa City, Iowa 62245
Here is this 1onths installment of Nord Search. it is CREATURES, HAVE FUN! Title: CREATURES
Em.rtainment Excellence (vendor) 1 8015 Princeton Place Merrick, NY 11 e66
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Mag* : 191 Sent : Nov 2, 1991 at 1 8:30:00 To : All From: Bill Marcum at Node 30803/1 Subj : ~w magazine (was Re: Writing for Current Notes) Atar1Uaer hu been publishing monthly issues sinoe May. Cover prtce is $1.00, but it's distributed free by Atari and uaer groups. If you oan't find it in your area, I'll dig up h malling address. Oh-here it is: Sub.cnp!)Ona are $19. 95 from Qull Pubfiehlng Co. 1 1 3 W College St COW\a CA 91723-2008 USA
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Cont . Atari 8bit - UseNet Mag# · HS Sent : Sep 23, 199'1 at 1 :03:00 To . Al Ff"Offl · Ray Wilmott at Node 30803/1 &bi At#i'a farewell to the 8-bits I got h following info from Cuurent Notes magazine, ~ thought rd pass it along... Auwi Corp ia sponsoring the Chicago Atarifest November ~2, et the Ramada O'Hare in Chicago (near the airport). At 1hta fest, 2,000 square feet of space has been reserved for &bet products. Atari will be emptying out their wenohousea of all remaining 8-bit products. Thie is the last &bet support that you'll ever see from Atari... who knows whet aort of treasures may be uncovered.. . tor info, contact Mike Brown at LCACE user group: M BROWN$ (on GEnie) or write Chicago Computerfest by Atari c/o LCACE
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